Grateful Proust

The infamous, angry, and insightful Phineas Marr joins Jonathan again for another engaging and insightful conversation. Phineas is the pastor of the First Baptist Church of Kenosha, WI and an Adjunct Professor of Religion at Carthage College.

For this episode we hear conversations about being decent and respectful, about clay jars and scripture, and some radical, uninformed ideas about Proust and the Grateful Dead. You can’t ask for much more.


Riliage –

If you throw your cigarette from the car you are saying that you are a horrible person who doesn’t care about anyone else, or about the earth, or about yourself. At least this is what Jonathan thinks.

Phin wants to buy food. He wants to buy food from the grocery store, but you are standing in the middle of the aisle making it impossible to get through. You are a horrible person.

It is the small things that separate us from the animals and make us civilized. Please, give a hoot, don’t start forest fires, and think about others.



2 Corinthians 4:5-9 – There is a divine Truth, and there is the truth that we trying to grasp and they are not one in the same. Truth can be found in scripture, but the exact, specific words of scripture are not “Truth.”


Watcha’ Into

Proust. Marcel Proust. Jonathan, in a continued effort to find ways to brag and claim that he is better than everyone else has read one volume of Proust’s In Search of Lost Time. This doesn’t make him better, just sad.


Phin, on the other hand, is connected, is with the people, is real, because he is listening to the Grateful Dead. So he is very current and hip with folks who lived through the 1960s and 1970s but do not remember them.


They do recommend listening to the Grateful Dead and reading Proust, but do that under supervision – have a friend who can pull you out if need be.



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Next Episode – the deep conversation with Phineas Marr about the Bible and idolatry